state-of-mayflower-v-mayflower-red-front-collective

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#state-of-mayflower-v-mayflower-red-front-collective

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Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:05 a.m.

https://trello.com/c/okGBf6oM/60-state-of-mayflower-v-mayflower-red-front

State of Mayflower v. Mayflower Red Front

CASE INFORMATION**

IN THE MAYFLOWER DISTRICT COURT FOR CLARK COUNTY

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CR-0005-24 State of Mayflower v. Mayflower Red Front (collective)

Specifically,

(1) the1mega, (2) John Doe (a/k/a coals__), (3) John Doe 2 (a/k/a coolma09123), … [see complaint]

Trial Type: Criminal

Judge Assigned:** Judge AlbertWellesley - Courtro...

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Kezzera pinned a message to this channel.2025-06-21 08:27 p.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:06 a.m.

The list of all defendants is provided in the criminal information. This matter is being expedited and this channel is reserved to arrange an oral hearing for an arrest warrant against the defendants named.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:06 a.m.

This case may be presided over by another judge if needed after the arrest warrant, such as to reduce overloaded dockets.(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:07 a.m.

@morale

Please file a notice of appearance

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:07 a.m.

I would also require representation for the defendants as soon as it is possible

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:08 a.m.

I was requested for an oral hearing. We can prepare this in Lander once there's representation for the defendants (I just need to know if they're around, not asking for a lawyer necessarily).(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:10 a.m.

You've listed like 45 people

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

im a fucking retard

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

@morale

NOW YOU CAN TALK

morale 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

Yeah u are a fucking retard

morale 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

Sry

Kezzera

You've listed like 45 people

morale 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

46 to be exact your honor

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

wat daSigma

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

I was off by one

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

Sorry

morale 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

i would be fine to sever this into 46 different cases

morale 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

if the court would like

morale 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

i don't think that would be a good use of judicial resources though

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:11 a.m.

I don't think that'd be necessary

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:12 a.m.

They're all seemingly related to the same events/situation

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:12 a.m.

and it's also not in the interest of justice to handle such cases piecewise

morale 2024-09-08 12:12 a.m.

trve trve

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:12 a.m.

When can you appear

morale 2024-09-08 12:12 a.m.

i am appearing

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:12 a.m.

I will be available immediately

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:12 a.m.

Are you able to go to Lander Courthouse

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:12 a.m.

Or mersea if there's adequate protection

morale 2024-09-08 12:13 a.m.

erm

morale 2024-09-08 12:13 a.m.

we have a lander court?

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:13 a.m.

well im using the SC

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:13 a.m.

turn gave me permission

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:13 a.m.

because mersea gets shot up all the time

morale 2024-09-08 12:14 a.m.

trve

morale 2024-09-08 12:14 a.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:14 a.m.

your choice i'm available either way, would defer to lander because it's generally safer and less busy

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:17 a.m.

I'll be available in 5 minutes @morale

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:18 a.m.

at Lander

morale 2024-09-08 12:24 a.m.

enroute

morale 2024-09-08 12:24 a.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 12:25 a.m.

morale 2024-09-08 12:28 a.m.

@Kezzera

present

Kezzera 2024-09-08 01:01 a.m.

For the record, the probable cause hearing introduced two pieces of evidence in relation to all five charges to which I found probable cause for the arrest of these defendants

Kezzera 2024-09-08 01:08 a.m.

@morale

Please file a warrant request through this server

Kezzera 2024-09-08 01:08 a.m.

so that we can start get the ball rolling

Kezzera 2024-09-08 01:09 a.m.

I'll direct the warrant to you (even though it'll basically be every state county and local agency who will be able to execute it in-game anyway)

morale 2024-09-08 01:23 a.m.

@Kezzera

THERE

morale 2024-09-08 01:23 a.m.

ISSUE PLEASE!

Kezzera 2024-09-08 02:33 a.m.

The written arrest warrant is available. You must instruct them to arrest a defendant here with a charge/charges that is available in-game.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 02:33 a.m.

https://mfdcc.github.io/mf_orders/090724_CR-0005-24_OrderAW.html

Kezzera 2024-09-08 02:33 a.m.

@morale

@Department of Justice

Kezzera 2024-09-08 02:41 a.m.

@morale

You must send this to all heads of all state law enforcement agencies immediately and must provide the instructions I have provided you explicitly: which is to arrest defendants in the arrest warrant for the eligible in-game offenses. We thought the in-game ones would also pop up through the CLEAR ONE command on the police radio channels.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 02:41 a.m.

I need confirmation of this as soon as possible.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 02:48 a.m.

For your convenience I have added this instruction on the warrant, it's titled "SPECIAL MEASURES: [...]"

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:08 a.m.

@Deleted User

I've processed your notice of appearance can you chat here now

Kezzera

For the record, the probable cause hearing introduced two pieces of evidence in relation to all five charges to which I found probable cause for the arrest of these defendants

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:12 a.m.

I've prepared my motions with this message

Kezzera

https://mfdcc.github.io/mf_orders/090724_CR-0005-24_OrderAW.html

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:12 a.m.

and this message

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:12 a.m.

in mind, as this court has accepted evidence and held a "probable cause" hearing

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:13 a.m.

In violation of the constitutional rights of all forty-six defendants.

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:30 a.m.

It should also be noted that the court has yet to all documents and records to the warrants, though I can appreciate that ~2 hours may not be enough to claim its beyond a "reasonable time".

Further, this court has failed to elaborate how forty-six individuals have met exigent circumstances that require immediate detention. Per 5 M.S.C. 1 § 1801.4 exigent circumstances must exist, and the individual(s) must have left the immediate presence of law enforcement officers (specifically described as "LTAA")

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:31 a.m.

to release all documents* apologies

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:33 a.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:35 a.m.

I would have considered greatly these options if there was a public defender's office around

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:36 a.m.

I will consider these motions as first items when I'm up

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:50 a.m.

@morale

I will ask that the state makes a response to these as soon as it can.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:54 a.m.

@Deleted User

Just to confirm but did Coleman actually talk about matters related to an arrest warrant?

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:54 a.m.

I don't recall that - believe it was in relation to proceedings after; there was a similar case which addressed your reasons more directly(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:55 a.m.

I'm not sure if those considerations were made before you filed these motions

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:55 a.m.

I may have cited the incorrect case if that's the case

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:56 a.m.

I wouldn't say it's incorrect but I feel a different case would have aided you better

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:56 a.m.

I'm not inclined to throw it out over that obviously, just wanted to make sure

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:56 a.m.

I will admit I did have concerns as to representation, granted

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:57 a.m.

Yeah, after reviewing its def the wrong case but

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:57 a.m.

Were you looking to use the Wade decision instead

Kezzera 2024-09-08 04:57 a.m.

Because what I did schedule was an informal hearing(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:02 a.m.

I'm not sure why you mention the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine here

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:02 a.m.

because it's not entirely applicable to these proceedings, it's mainly for the obtaining of the evidences used

Kezzera

I'm not sure why you mention the fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine here

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:02 a.m.

It was included under the pretenses that you held an official hearing without counsel present

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:04 a.m.

The doctrine's relevant to the evidence not the hearing - the evidence the state had shown me was not obtained from the hearing itself, so why would it be relevant unless you're trying to contest the evidence itself being unlawfully obtained(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:04 a.m.

I would like to know if I'm wrong

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:04 a.m.

or if there's further or extended application to the doctrine

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:06 a.m.

(I elaborated above)

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:07 a.m.

I was asserting that the evidence provided whilst in the commission of deprivation of rights should be suppressed for the purposes of a warrant

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:07 a.m.

Alright that's good clarity

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:07 a.m.

I'll take that into consideration

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:08 a.m.

Just to clarify this is on the arrest warrant (which is still active)

Kezzera

Just to clarify this is on the arrest warrant (which is still active)

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:09 a.m.

I submitted the two motions essentially to quash/suppress evidence for the warrants

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:09 a.m.

quash and suppress* I should correct myself

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:10 a.m.

That's helpful clarification

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:11 a.m.

The evidence obviously would need to be released anyway

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:11 a.m.

to you

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:11 a.m.

My primary concern is addressing the warrant, then after that I'm here strictly for my two clients

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:11 a.m.

Two?

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:11 a.m.

Not all of them?

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:11 a.m.

I specified in my notice of appearance I was appearing for two individuals

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:12 a.m.

Ah,yes

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:12 a.m.

I missed it there

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:12 a.m.

Although if no other counsel is available, I can assist if the court so pleases.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:12 a.m.

Well I've enquired on the status of an OPD

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:13 a.m.

Like I said I would have had one arranged and much more time given

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:13 a.m.

but here we are

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:13 a.m.

Where the absence of one is the case (and it is from what I see), I might just consider compiling a list of firms that we may enter in agreement with to provide such support

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:14 a.m.

We haven't had that issue up until just now I believe

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:14 a.m.

Well, it would be expected given the presence of 46 individual co-defendants

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:14 a.m.

You would think I had the brains to figure that out

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:14 a.m.

(I really didn't)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:15 a.m.

@morale

I'll expect a response on the motions, they're on the Trello card

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:16 a.m.

The issue is sensitive to time so there's very little room for delay

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:17 a.m.

@Deleted User

Off record but I may arrange for all 46 defendants to be represented (the remainders, if not already)(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 05:17 a.m.

I'm very likely to unless there's a good reason not to do that somehow (I find very little reason to delay such representation and there is no reason or discretion to not arrange representation if they're unable to afford one, etc.)(edited)

morale 2024-09-08 10:34 a.m.

@Deleted User

who made you their attorney

morale 2024-09-08 10:34 a.m.

all 46 people?

Kezzera 2024-09-08 10:46 a.m.

He's attorney for 2 of the 46 defendants

Kezzera

He's attorney for 2 of the 46 defendants

morale 2024-09-08 02:48 p.m.

OK can we get proof of representation

morale 2024-09-08 02:48 p.m.

And we'll sever those two defendants

Deleted User 2024-09-08 02:55 p.m.

With the courts permission, I will become the co-counsel to my colleague Fliply27 when is notice of appearance is accepted. Also, after submission of both of our NOA’s, co-defendant Karrot55 has retained us for this matter as well.

cc: @Kezzera

morale 2024-09-08 02:59 p.m.

@Deleted User

are you sure that the representation of multiple defendants in this matter would not be adversarial to the interests of other defendants

morale 2024-09-08 02:59 p.m.

considering we intend to offer deals to all multiple defendants which include clauses requiring testifying or cooperation against other defendants

morale

@Deleted User are you sure that the representation of multiple defendants in this matter would not be adversarial to the interests of other defendants

Deleted User 2024-09-08 03:03 p.m.

The three clients I represent are all in the same circumstance in this matter.

Deleted User

The three clients I represent are all in the same circumstance in this matter.

morale 2024-09-08 03:03 p.m.

yes but if i offered a deal to one of the clients

morale 2024-09-08 03:03 p.m.

saying if they testify in cooperation that they would get a reduced term or immunity

morale 2024-09-08 03:03 p.m.

that would be adversarial to your other defendants

morale 2024-09-08 03:03 p.m.

its a quagmire

morale 2024-09-08 03:04 p.m.

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-giggity-oh-yeah-happy-gif-18848480

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:46 p.m.

This motion has been filed, please take notice that this is a courtesy copy for the court. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kZL8BLU9GjD-lJyg-nZrJZUjORD6mCHQ/view?usp=sharing

CR000524_Defense_MotionToDismiss.pdf

Deleted User 2024-09-08 04:56 p.m.

God I just noticed those margins are awful, I should’ve fixed that for him before I converted it

Deleted User 2024-09-08 05:29 p.m.

@Kezzera

Can my clients get a temporary halt on the execution of their warrant? This warrant is costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost business wages

morale

OK can we get proof of representation

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:43 p.m.

He submitted a NoA

Deleted User

@Kezzera Can my clients get a temporary halt on the execution of their warrant? This warrant is costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost business wages

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:43 p.m.

What business?

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:43 p.m.

I just got back, let me catch up

Deleted User 2024-09-08 06:45 p.m.

Pending an answer from my client(s), will provide you with that when I have it

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:45 p.m.

@Evexom

Added with NOA Processed

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:45 p.m.

@Karrot

Added, named defendant

morale

that would be adversarial to your other defendants

morale 2024-09-08 06:45 p.m.

@Kezzera

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:45 p.m.

@urinal cake

Added, DOJ with NOA

morale 2024-09-08 06:46 p.m.

mr brothemans representation here is adversarial to his other clients

urinal cake 2024-09-08 06:46 p.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:46 p.m.

hello

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:46 p.m.

let me get back to everything, one second

Kezzera

@Evexom Added with NOA Processed

Evexom 2024-09-08 06:46 p.m.

Thank you.

Deleted User

This motion has been filed, please take notice that this is a courtesy copy for the court. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kZL8BLU9GjD-lJyg-nZrJZUjORD6mCHQ/view?usp=sharing

morale 2024-09-08 06:47 p.m.

can't wait until you realize that that's how DOJ indictments look in real life

morale 2024-09-08 06:47 p.m.

and you are supposed to file for a bill of particulars

Deleted User

@Kezzera Can my clients get a temporary halt on the execution of their warrant? This warrant is costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost business wages

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:47 p.m.

File a separate request for this, your quash motion is not considered for this request

Deleted User 2024-09-08 06:48 p.m.

Understood

morale 2024-09-08 06:48 p.m.

@Kezzera

doj is severing all clients represented by brotheman from the main case

morale 2024-09-08 06:48 p.m.

if you could make a seperate channel when able

morale 2024-09-08 06:48 p.m.

for the other def'dants who haven't appeared

morale

that would be adversarial to your other defendants

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:48 p.m.

This is a potential concern the state does raise

morale

for the other def'dants who haven't appeared

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:48 p.m.

Why are you doing this - for the reasons you stated?

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:48 p.m.

Were you intending on doing it?

Kezzera

Why are you doing this - for the reasons you stated?

morale 2024-09-08 06:50 p.m.

because its easier to coordinate channels

morale 2024-09-08 06:50 p.m.

if we have different chats depending on whos appearing for the defendant

morale 2024-09-08 06:50 p.m.

so we don't have

morale 2024-09-08 06:50 p.m.

eighteen lawyers in one channel

morale 2024-09-08 06:50 p.m.

all representing different clients

morale 2024-09-08 06:50 p.m.

all with adverserial interest

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:50 p.m.

It's just so sudden which is why I ask

morale

all with adverserial interest

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:51 p.m.

@Deleted User

@Evexom

Prompt response informally appreciated

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:52 p.m.

@morale

What about the remainders, they'll need to be represented

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:52 p.m.

We have one of the defendants here who are represented by the two

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:53 p.m.

right..

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:53 p.m.

it's piling up quick

Kezzera

@Deleted User

@Evexom Prompt response informally appreciated

Deleted User 2024-09-08 06:53 p.m.

I am currently speaking with all clients to sort out any possible conflicts of interest, and will notify the court once I have everything the court will need

Deleted User 2024-09-08 06:54 p.m.

The pending motion for dismissal is presently for the capacity of all co-defendants, as no defendants have been individually severed.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:54 p.m.

I might have to amend my own filings to reflect if the DOJ does go ahead and file severs

Deleted User

The pending motion for dismissal is presently for the capacity of all co-defendants, as no defendants have been individually severed.

morale 2024-09-08 06:54 p.m.

you aren't representing all the defendants

Kezzera

I might have to amend my own filings to reflect if the DOJ does go ahead and file severs

morale 2024-09-08 06:54 p.m.

we want to sever

morale 2024-09-08 06:54 p.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:55 p.m.

For now, insertreality NOA Defendant(s) in the case x1: coolerbro2007

morale

we want to sever

Deleted User 2024-09-08 06:56 p.m.

I believe that would require a motion, and as I recall there is three pending motions…

Deleted User 2024-09-08 06:56 p.m.

Of which the state has yet to respond to

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:58 p.m.

I am likely going to ask that you show good cause be shown for severing, seeming as we have already took action on 46 people already joined

Kezzera 2024-09-08 06:59 p.m.

You can add more reasons on top of what was already stated (don't repeat it)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:00 p.m.

I can see that adversarial interests may be present, I'd like to hear what some of the counselors for the defence have to also say in regards to that

morale 2024-09-08 07:01 p.m.

@Kezzera

severance is typically granted if the respondent will suffer prejudice as a result of being tried jointly with the co- respondent(s).

Kezzera

I can see that adversarial interests may be present, I'd like to hear what some of the counselors for the defence have to also say in regards to that

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:01 p.m.

I have made an agreement to terminate my retainer with co-defendant Karrot55 due to a conflict of interest, although it was not recognized by the court yet that I intended to defend him anyways.

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:01 p.m.

Do you remain to represent your initial two then @Deleted User

Kezzera

Do you remain to represent your initial two then @Deleted User

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:03 p.m.

At present, neither client has shown a conflict of interest, nor an intent to bite at the offer the department of Justice intends to offer

morale

@Kezzera severance is typically granted if the respondent will suffer prejudice as a result of being tried jointly with the co- respondent(s).

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:03 p.m.

I would have expected that this would've been sorted much earlier but I see the reason for this being raised now

Deleted User

At present, neither client has shown a conflict of interest, nor an intent to bite at the offer the department of Justice intends to offer

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:04 p.m.

Are you going to continue representing your first two

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:04 p.m.

clients

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:04 p.m.

in this case

mike_bn 2024-09-08 07:09 p.m.

Hey guys

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:09 p.m.

As for severing this will be a lot on my plate, so I need to discuss some things real quick with the court

Kezzera

As for severing this will be a lot on my plate, so I need to discuss some things real quick with the court

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:32 p.m.

All I ask is that the court hear the motions submitted in order, it would be absurd for the court to entertain a motion for severance with three other motions pending before the court

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:32 p.m.

For severance I may just put it in simple form, there's an awful amount of papers I need to look through

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:33 p.m.

I would hear the motions in logical order, not by chronological time order

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:33 p.m.

You did submit two of them at the same time too, so I find it quite hard to establish good time

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:34 p.m.

@urinal cake

@morale

I will ask that you show me how a defendant there is prejudiced if we remained to have all 46 defendants here

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:34 p.m.

We don't have anything explicit to govern severs and joinders (weirdly), so I will take some liberty and ask that you show me that

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:35 p.m.

You may do it in writing or simple form here, I would go for simple form since it's a pretty straightforward request unless there's an absurd amount of material that needs to be disclosed or if there's anything requiring this particular kind of request to be made in writing(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:35 p.m.

I won't grant it simply on a statement that they are prejudiced, show me it

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:36 p.m.

The fact that I was just told about these arrangements you were making with the defendants now has upset me considerably (even if you find that unreasonable, it's adding fuel to the fire I am dealing with)

Kezzera

You did submit two of them at the same time too, so I find it quite hard to establish good time

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:37 p.m.

@Deleted User

in response to your request on the motions

Kezzera

@Deleted User in response to your request on the motions

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:38 p.m.

I’ll withdraw the motion to suppress, my primary concern is the motion to dismiss and the motion to quash the warrants

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:38 p.m.

Which if I’m not mistaken would take precedence per the Steele Co ruling

Deleted User

I’ll withdraw the motion to suppress, my primary concern is the motion to dismiss and the motion to quash the warrants

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:41 p.m.

I'll have the record changed

Deleted User

Which if I’m not mistaken would take precedence per the Steele Co ruling

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:41 p.m.

I mean the suppress motion would still be considered either way

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:42 p.m.

since it will likely affect the state's case considerably

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:42 p.m.

at this time, not for the long term (i don't know what more the state has compiled in terms of evidence, etc.)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:42 p.m.

You may re-introduce it if you wish, hopefully at a more appropriate time (thanks for releasing my burden)

Kezzera

You may re-introduce it if you wish, hopefully at a more appropriate time (thanks for releasing my burden)

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:48 p.m.

Well considering the evidence was submitted as part of a warrant affidavit and not part of a probable cause hearing, I cannot justifiably seek to suppress that evidence, although I strongly disagree with the lack of counsel present.

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:48 p.m.

Seeing as there has yet to be an actual probable cause hearing for this case

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:49 p.m.

yes, I didn't actually hold a probable cause hearing that most people would commonly know as, I fucked up on the terminology there(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:49 p.m.

(it was a hearing for that particular arrest warrant, extremely rare)

Kezzera 2024-09-08 07:49 p.m.

Alright, we'll revisit this once we see new messages from counsellors

mike_bn 2024-09-08 07:51 p.m.

Charging this amount of people collectively is extremely silly

mike_bn 2024-09-08 07:52 p.m.

There aren't enough chairs in the court house for all the Defendants, good luck getting them all to appear at the same time for arraignment.

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:55 p.m.

Irregardless of that, the state has violated due process with their allegations that each other defendants have (within some period within past month) violated some indiscriminate portion of a statute

Deleted User 2024-09-08 07:58 p.m.

Although if the court feels the absurdly vague information provided is sufficient, we can certainly move for a bill of particulars in coordination from all attorneys present for the co-defendants

Deleted User

It should also be noted that the court has yet to all documents and records to the warrants, though I can appreciate that ~2 hours may not be enough to claim its beyond a "reasonab...

Deleted User 2024-09-09 12:35 a.m.

Just as a reminder to the court as well, when the motion to quash the warrants is reviewed, I’d like this verbal argument to be included if possible, I forgot to include that in the pdf submission

Deleted User 2024-09-09 12:35 a.m.

Specifically the latter paragraph

Kezzera 2024-09-09 01:04 a.m.

(reaction means considered/endorsed)

morale 2024-09-09 02:08 p.m.

@Kezzera

when response deadline

morale

@Kezzera when response deadline

Kezzera 2024-09-09 02:21 p.m.

How much time do you need

Kezzera 2024-09-09 02:21 p.m.

I haven't sent one yet - was on the assumption you would get it in the day

morale 2024-09-09 02:28 p.m.

well

morale 2024-09-09 02:28 p.m.

my office is very busy

morale 2024-09-09 02:28 p.m.

currently

morale 2024-09-09 02:28 p.m.

and we will be closing on Wednesday in memoriam and in respect of 11th

Kezzera 2024-09-09 02:39 p.m.

oh crap, right

Kezzera 2024-09-09 02:39 p.m.

Well we're still on the warrant situation but it needs to be handled soon

Kezzera 2024-09-09 02:40 p.m.

Can you get someone in your office to help you with the filings

Kezzera 2024-09-09 02:40 p.m.

I'll need full responses to make any consideration

Kezzera 2024-09-09 02:40 p.m.

(Except points already stated, just new issues)

Deleted User 2024-09-09 02:47 p.m.

Yeah, I’m certain the defendants would like for this move along, especially given that probable cause for prosecution has yet to be established.

mike_bn 2024-09-09 03:54 p.m.

Was pc even established

mike_bn 2024-09-09 03:55 p.m.

As for all billion defendants

mike_bn 2024-09-09 03:55 p.m.

That is going to be hard to establish for these many

mike_bn

Was pc even established

Evexom 2024-09-09 03:57 p.m.

(No)

Kezzera 2024-09-09 04:27 p.m.

No, I just looked at stuff related to the warrant

Kezzera 2024-09-09 04:29 p.m.

I haven't established pc

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:48 p.m.

@morale

I'll set a deadline for September 10, 11:59pm UTC-7 for now and I will adjust the deadline if it needs to be done around that time. It's a soft deadline essentially(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:48 p.m.

I'm assuming there's someone helping out with these responses

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:48 p.m.

somewhere

in the Justice Department

Deleted User

@Kezzera Can my clients get a temporary halt on the execution of their warrant? This warrant is costing them hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost business wages

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:49 p.m.

As for the temporary halt to the warrant, I would like to see something for this

Kezzera

@morale I'll set a deadline for September 10, 11:59pm UTC-7 for now and I will adjust the deadline if it needs to be done around that time. It's a soft deadline essen...(edited)

morale 2024-09-09 11:49 p.m.

your honor

morale 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

we will be closing on Wednesday in memoriam and in respect of 11th

morale 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

and currently the entire justice department

morale 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

has called out sick

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT??

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED??

morale 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

if you would please consult the photograph

morale 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

oh god dammit

morale 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

what is it this time

morale 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

many things

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

do you have covid

morale 2024-09-09 11:50 p.m.

morale 2024-09-09 11:51 p.m.

i personally caught the flu

morale

Click to see attachment.

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:51 p.m.

I will call the Clark County Regional Hospital to have the entire justice department contained

morale 2024-09-09 11:51 p.m.

thank you

morale 2024-09-09 11:51 p.m.

in the meantime we ask for deadline until the 12th due to this unforseen illness

morale 2024-09-09 11:51 p.m.

inshallah the court shall grant our requested continuance if it sees fit

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:51 p.m.

you will receive an updated deadline at september 10 11:59pm or earlier, the extension likely to the 12th

morale 2024-09-09 11:52 p.m.

thank you

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:52 p.m.

unless I see the warrant getting executed way sooner in which I may be pressed to act on the motions (drama)(edited)

morale 2024-09-09 11:52 p.m.

i will return to my sickbay

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:52 p.m.

thank you NOT that

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:52 p.m.

another cat gif with thank you please

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:52 p.m.

(chamber rules)

morale 2024-09-09 11:52 p.m.

Acceptable?

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

no, lucas

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

I legitimately made it a rule

morale 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

can you cite your honor

morale 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

i have a disability accomodation

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

morale 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

i'm blind

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

https://mfdcc.github.io/rules

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

Rule 6 in the chamber's rules

morale 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

that seems oddly like a content restriction of speech

morale 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

which as you should know as a judge

morale 2024-09-09 11:53 p.m.

carrys a much higher burden of restraint then time place and manner restrictions

morale 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

anyway apologies your honor

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

i will concede this as a preventative measure and in interest of community rules

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

it's okay

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

here i'll give an example of an acceptable gif

morale 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

https://imgur.com/a/DxitL6a

Untitled Album

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

https://tenor.com/view/praying-cat-please-thank-you-thanks-gif-16119732

morale 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

this is me preparing for court

morale

https://imgur.com/a/DxitL6a

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

he's a SHARP boy

morale 2024-09-09 11:54 p.m.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242328252744208425/1251262856712945726/homossexual_thoughts.gif

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:55 p.m.

What the sigma

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:55 p.m.

@Deleted User

@mike_bn

@Evexom

Please be made aware I have for the time being set the deadline to September 10 but for some reason the entire Justice Department's out sick, so the likely extension will be the 12th

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:55 p.m.

As for the warrant, it is still active until full satisfaction

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:56 p.m.

@Deleted User

you did mention about these "business" losses but i'm not entirely sure if that's a concern for the court

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:56 p.m.

I'll give you the opportunity to show me a good reason to temporary hold it

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:57 p.m.

and if you can somehow tie this business interest as some sort of economic liberty that the warrant's violating and it somehow inadvertedly has affected their income, which I don't think is entirely applicable since he is still able to make arrangements to have his business interests remain and continue(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:58 p.m.

The state has not requested anything in relation to any of the defendant's money assets, etc. so far

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:58 p.m.

nothing formally at least

Deleted User 2024-09-09 11:59 p.m.

Will reply shortly, just at work

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:59 p.m.

As for motions submitted earlier, I'd like to take the state's position on those before I make full decisions

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:59 p.m.

No worries

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:59 p.m.

I don't see the warrant being satisfied immediately

Kezzera 2024-09-09 11:59 p.m.

There's still a considerable number at large

Deleted User 2024-09-10 12:04 a.m.

The Defense does take issue with the time permitted for the state, per Mayfl. D. Ct. 3(9)

Deleted User 2024-09-10 12:04 a.m.

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:07 a.m.

we're way over that time already aren't we, hold on

Deleted User 2024-09-10 12:07 a.m.

We will await the reversal of the warrants, my client(s) would prefer such

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:10 a.m.

@morale

September 10th 1:00am seattle time is the correct deadline time for the motion to quash and dismiss(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:10 a.m.

If you wish to respond that is

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:11 a.m.

I have read the defence's motions already

Deleted User

We will await the reversal of the warrants, my client(s) would prefer such

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:11 a.m.

@Deleted User

September 10th 1:00am seattle time would be the deadline according to the rules

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:11 a.m.

since you filed it on September 8th

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:12 a.m.

around that time

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:12 a.m.

at least that's what the record reflects

Kezzera

@morale September 10th 1:00am seattle time is the correct deadline time for the motion to quash and dismiss(edited)

morale 2024-09-10 12:14 a.m.

youre able to grant a reasonable continuance

morale 2024-09-10 12:14 a.m.

as you didn't set that deadline to us and make that apparent

morale 2024-09-10 12:14 a.m.

that that was your expected deadline

morale 2024-09-10 12:14 a.m.

we ask for eod on the 10th

morale

youre able to grant a reasonable continuance

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:17 a.m.

can you just clarify where in the rules I'm permitted to do this, I am aware that I can extend pre-trial times, etc. it would be a procedural issue so(edited)

morale

as you didn't set that deadline to us and make that apparent

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:17 a.m.

I agree, I was going to mention that

morale

we ask for eod on the 10th

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:18 a.m.

If permitted, @Deleted User Would you be okay with this extra amount of time

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:18 a.m.

It would go to my initial deadline of 11:59pm

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:19 a.m.

I'm going to take responsibility for that complete and utter mistake on my part

Deleted User 2024-09-10 12:20 a.m.

If the court is moving sua sponte it is what it is, but I mind it mind boggling the entire department of Justice couldn’t meet a 48 hour deadline, nor were aware of the rules of this court…

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:20 a.m.

I am too, but usually the court would be courteous to be explicit about deadline for everyone's convenience

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:21 a.m.

that was, unfortunately, not the case and I have not mentioned a deadline explicitly until now

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:21 a.m.

The extension is not substantial from what I see, and if it is then you should raise it as an issue

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:21 a.m.

Perhaps going onto how much harm it would cause (I would look for real injury)(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:21 a.m.

if the deadline was extended by that many hours

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:23 a.m.

I can make the following assurances:
- I have considered the defence's motions in full as of yesterday and have formulated my initial thoughts; and
- I am wanting the state to respond to these considering they poked the wasp's nest with this case and find it baffling if they aren't going to

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:23 a.m.

I have put this case up pretty high up in my docket, it's marked as a priority

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:23 a.m.

I'm not making any excuses for the state, fyi @Deleted User

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:23 a.m.

I'm just explaining my side

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:24 a.m.

and obviously if any issues do arise as a result of the court's action from this point, you would have avenues to appeal if permitted under rules or the law(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:25 a.m.

I'm also taking up the administrative tasks of sorting cases and reading up on a lot of things to tie in with what's on my docket so I have had a lot on my plate, would ask forgiveness from all counsellors involved(edited)

Deleted User 2024-09-10 12:28 a.m.

I understand your input, I simply just fail to understand why the state is bringing forth charges that they have no time to be punctual in

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:29 a.m.

I agree with that

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:29 a.m.

It is not just one person running the department to, it is a fully functional arm of the state

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:29 a.m.

so I would anticipate someone would be running to have it sorted

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:29 a.m.

but something's going on

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:30 a.m.

I think instead of the 12th the 10th EOD is the most reasonable one I can go with

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:31 a.m.

I'd go with 1 but I need actual reasons from the state why it's taking them this much time

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:31 a.m.

(the getting sick with illness x, y, z is an obvious bit)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:31 a.m.

unless it somehow actually is in which, 10th EOD is really pushing them

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:52 a.m.

@morale

I will look for this rule, swear I never saw it anywhere where I can permit such delay because I didn't give that information explicitly here(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:52 a.m.

Until then I've set it to 1:00am seattle time September 10th

Kezzera 2024-09-10 12:53 a.m.

If I am permitted to delay I will most likely grant it for EOD the 10th(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:06 a.m.

I think i've figured that out just fine, I was just being really stupid(edited)

morale

as you didn't set that deadline to us and make that apparent

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:15 a.m.

Defense counsel raised some good points in that you were expected to know (and likewise I forgot temporarily) when to file it by, the court is not required to declare this for motions (it is courteous however, I do recognise that)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:15 a.m.

I would potentially permit it if the case wasn't urgent

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:15 a.m.

but seeming that at some point in the very near future (and I mean very near) there may be speedy concerns, I'm not inclined to extend it further(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:17 a.m.

If you can state and show whether the denial of a continuance for the state would be prejudicial and show real risk to the state's case, such as not giving the state enough opportunity and time to gather some further information that's material to the case and/or it violates a right, then I am very likely to grant it(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:18 a.m.

Getting "sick" with illness xyz is clearly a bit, and not being provided with an explicit deadline is not enough of a good reason(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:18 a.m.

The time you're asking for is approximately 22 hours

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:20 a.m.

which is almost a whole day, it's quite substantial

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:20 a.m.

You can work to agree on that extension with the defense counsel if you wish, I won't stop you on that

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:21 a.m.

I'll give a response first thing in the morning (if I get one by then)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:21 a.m.

Otherwise by whenever I get tagged here with a response from the state. I would ask that if you are quite busy you should get additional or substitute counsel involved(edited)

mike_bn 2024-09-10 02:23 a.m.

@Kezzera

I will be probably filing a motion to dismiss

Deleted User 2024-09-10 02:29 a.m.

With permission from the court I won’t object to verbal arguments being included in the current pending motion

Deleted User 2024-09-10 02:29 a.m.

So long as the state doesn’t oppose

Deleted User 2024-09-10 08:00 a.m.

Btw for the record, the motion for dismissal expires at 4:46 PM est, not AM. The motion to quash I believe was correct.

morale 2024-09-10 09:44 a.m.

respectfully @Kezzera brotheman is only representing his defendants

morale 2024-09-10 09:44 a.m.

it makes no sense to bind other defendants to the result of his motions

morale 2024-09-10 09:44 a.m.

thats why we asked you make a seperate channel

morale 2024-09-10 09:44 a.m.

the decision to sever is that the justice department can make

Deleted User

Btw for the record, the motion for dismissal expires at 4:46 PM est, not AM. The motion to quash I believe was correct.

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:22 a.m.

I went off the trello times

morale

the decision to sever is that the justice department can make

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:22 a.m.

You need my leave..

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:23 a.m.

You haven't shown me the actual repercussions by keeping the case here as is, you've only stated it. I can't work with that alone(edited)

mike_bn

@Kezzera I will be probably filing a motion to dismiss

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:24 a.m.

Thanks for heads up

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:27 a.m.

If you're really desperate to sever you'd probably be better off asking the court to do so because of how difficult it'd be for the court to manage this in one go

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:27 a.m.

Like, arraignment of 46 defendants all in here will get chaotic. I would've bought it somehow(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:28 a.m.

But you've mentioned sever because of adversarial interests (and literally way later)(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:28 a.m.

So now you have to show me what that is specifically

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:28 a.m.

Or get into agreement with the defendants at least(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:29 a.m.

@morale

I'm doing the best I can with what you've given me, it's very little

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:30 a.m.

Unless it's a statutory requirement to sever, or there is an undisputed, unlimited privilege for the state to just sever a case up, I have to make this call

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:30 a.m.

I don't recall it either

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:30 a.m.

that such a privilege exists for the state

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:30 a.m.

I hope you'll understand the position the court is in regards to that

morale

it makes no sense to bind other defendants to the result of his motions

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:32 a.m.

I agree and will clarify that it will only affect his clients

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:32 a.m.

It won't affect the remainders until they separately file

Kezzera 2024-09-10 10:35 a.m.

Please do note that when I intend to issue any orders to the motions on file, it's only for the people affected and that will be made clear

Deleted User 2024-09-10 12:59 p.m.

So… the court has failed to uphold the constitutional rights of the defendants, now they’re denying the defendants the opportunity to benefit from a decision of the court that would directly reflect upon them

Deleted User 2024-09-10 01:09 p.m.

The court failing to provide representation is depriving the defendants from equally accessing the fruits of a motion that universally applies to all defendants, by means of all defendants being affected equally by the very say arguments I presented. Unless this court intends to provide counsel before proceeding, as required under Gideon, unless any of the defendants intend on waiving their right to counsel, this court ought to consider whether or not defendants being denied the right to a fair trial can be denied from such a motion.

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:24 p.m.

I am afraid you are representing only two of the 46 defendants in this very early matter

Kezzera 2024-09-10 01:24 p.m.

as for the remainders, I am looking at options as to how we can arrange them representation

Deleted User 2024-09-10 01:29 p.m.

Very well, I will concede on that then.

Kezzera 2024-09-10 02:28 p.m.

I am aware they'll need representation obviously if the ball is rolling on this

Kezzera 2024-09-10 02:28 p.m.

(thank you for your gideon mention)

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:05 p.m.

When might I expect to see a ruling on those motions for my clients?

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:05 p.m.

Seeing as the state has, at this point, provided no real arguments or provided any facts for them.

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:08 p.m.

Seems that time is past

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:10 p.m.

I will begin making considerations and rendering a response to the motions as the state has lapsed on time

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:12 p.m.

Please be reminded that this, to your detriment probably, affects only those you represent since you have not given notice to us that you represent all 46 people

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:12 p.m.

@Deleted User

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:13 p.m.

Where I grant quash orders and an MTD, it will be the two co-defendants as written in your NOA that will be affected - similarly if rejected, then it only affects them(edited)

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:13 p.m.

Given the states indication they intend to provide offers to the co-defendants, I cannot confidently say I can represent all defendants

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:13 p.m.

Aye, we're in agreement then?

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:14 p.m.

So I will be merely providing legal assistance to my retained clients

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:15 p.m.

I do disagree, as my arguments can be universally applied, however I will agree just so I do not further delay the courts ability to decide the important matters such as probable cause and arraignment.

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:19 p.m.

It can be universally applied but it'd be much more comfortable to apply it to all 46 if you had explicitly said you represent them

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:20 p.m.

If the court would like me to do so, I can certainly speak with all of the defendants and ask for their permission to do so.

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:21 p.m.

Otherwise I cannot ethically state that I am representing them without their permission. I merely presented arguments that would apply to them, and suggested that this court could apply it universally to the defendants.

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:23 p.m.

Unless this court would seek a certified question before the Supreme Court for this specific matter

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:23 p.m.

Specific circumstance* apologies

Deleted User

If the court would like me to do so, I can certainly speak with all of the defendants and ask for their permission to do so.

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:25 p.m.

It's a little late now but you're more than welcome to work that out and file subsequent motions, this time addressing remainders not already represented - it'd also be unfair to the state if you changed representations last minute(edited)

Deleted User

Unless this court would seek a certified question before the Supreme Court for this specific matter

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:25 p.m.

As to..?

Kezzera

As to..?

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:28 p.m.

In the circumstance where the constitutional right to counsel has been denied by the state, if an interested party can submit a filing that could be universally applied (I’m not confident in that wording, but I’m also at work)

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:29 p.m.

Or perhaps significantly delayed would be a better term, rather than “denied”

Deleted User

In the circumstance where the constitutional right to counsel has been denied by the state, if an interested party can submit a filing that could be universally applied (I’m not co...

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:29 p.m.

No that's fine I see what you're saying

Deleted User

Or perhaps significantly delayed would be a better term, rather than “denied”

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:29 p.m.

depends on what a significant delay is here

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:30 p.m.

but it's definitely way less than x months

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:30 p.m.

I mean I'd encourage appeals rather than the court submitting the question directly

Deleted User 2024-09-10 07:30 p.m.

Alright

Kezzera 2024-09-10 07:31 p.m.

Anyway, I'm off to re-read and write the orders and reasons, etc.

mike_bn 2024-09-11 12:44 a.m.

@Kezzera

werent the warrants quashed?

mike_bn 2024-09-11 12:45 a.m.

my client was just arrested for it

mike_bn

@Kezzera werent the warrants quashed?

Deleted User 2024-09-11 02:07 a.m.

Negative, the court is refusing to recognize that my arguments are universally appliable, insisting that they are not my clients so I cannot speak for them.

mike_bn 2024-09-11 02:11 a.m.

this is a mess

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:00 a.m.

Utterly ridiculous

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:00 a.m.

As I was writing I get messaged by someone named on the warrant

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:01 a.m.

who has not played the damn game at all but once and has a message history only spanning up to one day

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:01 a.m.

@morale

Who is killaraidz and how is he involved with the organization at all but by purely being on the server

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:02 a.m.

because I didn't issue an arrest warrant for someone being in the server, I operated on the belief they were all involved in an activity that you alleged they all took part in

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:03 a.m.

@Deleted User

You're from columbia civil is that right

morale 2024-09-11 10:04 a.m.

@Kezzera

this is a mess because you wouldn't

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:04 a.m.

That is correct, your honor.

morale 2024-09-11 10:04 a.m.

make different case channels

morale 2024-09-11 10:04 a.m.

for defendants under different lawyers

morale 2024-09-11 10:04 a.m.

so we can effectively argue this based on who's representing who

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:05 a.m.

I'm on about a different matter lucas

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:05 a.m.

He's the only one allegedly who does not know

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:05 a.m.

about this warrant

morale 2024-09-11 10:05 a.m.

yes most criminals who plead not guilty pretend to not know

Kezzera

He's the only one allegedly who does not know

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:05 a.m.

He’s not the only one, your honor. I just haven’t brought it up as I don’t have a factual basis for it.

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:05 a.m.

How involved is he even lucas

Deleted User

He’s not the only one, your honor. I just haven’t brought it up as I don’t have a factual basis for it.

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:06 a.m.

I say allegedly for the same

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:06 a.m.

People won't know, expected, and find out later most likely

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:06 a.m.

But I'm concerned that I just put someone on a warrant on the basis that they were just in a discord server

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:06 a.m.

and nothing else

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:06 a.m.

I need assurance that there's no misleading

morale 2024-09-11 10:07 a.m.

well your honor since you're jumping forward to

morale 2024-09-11 10:07 a.m.

trial arguments

morale 2024-09-11 10:07 a.m.

before youve even severed

morale 2024-09-11 10:07 a.m.

to get to the point in the discord server where we collected usernames

morale 2024-09-11 10:07 a.m.

you need to complete an initiation phase

morale 2024-09-11 10:07 a.m.

wherein you directly try to join the terrorist organization

morale 2024-09-11 10:07 a.m.

anyone who willingly put through effort to join a publicaly declared terrorist organization

morale 2024-09-11 10:07 a.m.

cannot then feign ignorance

morale 2024-09-11 10:08 a.m.

when the activities of that organization is being blasted in the news and by the government

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:08 a.m.

I'm severing this case, I've decided anyway that this is goign to turn into a swamp full of rights being violated

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:09 a.m.

I'm not even going on adversarial interests

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:09 a.m.

I need names of who you intend to severe and how you will group them

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:09 a.m.

either in filings or here directly so I can split the channels up accordingly

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

I'm still issuing rulings for outstanding motions (which only affects two), then it's gone

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

as for representation, I will not handle all severed cases, they'll be split accordingly

morale 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

we're just goin to severbased on representation

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

So just TrexeoDev and Gurka

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

and coolerbro

morale 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

whoever goes with one lawyer the case is severed with those defendants

morale 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

yes and the rest will probably be assigned to PD

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

Do we even have an OPD

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

There's no notice given to us on it

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:11 a.m.

I would've used them almost religiously for this

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:13 a.m.

That's still like 43 people

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:13 a.m.

If it makes it any easier, I’ve got 6 of these people now, 5 of which have confirmed no adversarial intent

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:14 a.m.

We’ve have to make an entire category in our server for this matter atp

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:14 a.m.

I need names now

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:15 a.m.

It will help the state to make appropriate filings

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:15 a.m.

as they intend to make

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:16 a.m.

and likewise for the clerk to do the same, setting up the shit

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:17 a.m.

We’ve been retained by:
Sharkboy0026 (c),
the1mega (uc),
GurkaCreed (c),
TrexeoDev (c)
UltimateVuxSurge (c)
Killraidz (c)

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:17 a.m.

C representing confirmed non-COI/adversarial intent

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:17 a.m.

Killaraidz*

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:17 a.m.

I only rule on GurkaCreed and TrexeoDev, your remainders are outstanding as of this time

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

and I will expect you to make the appropriate filings for that once you confirmed

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

your clientele

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

Of course, that’s why I haven’t notified the court as of yet

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

I will ask for it urgently

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

I'm severing today, it should've been done

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

someone's going to get their rights impeded from the get-go

Deleted User 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

Understood, I’ll submit my notice of appearance today.

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

and I'm not seeing that happen here

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:18 a.m.

Thank you

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:19 a.m.

CC Lucas in so he knows what to do as well

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:19 a.m.

then as for @mike_bn I will expect you to let me know of your intentions

Kezzera

then as for @mike_bn I will expect you to let me know of your intentions

mike_bn 2024-09-11 10:47 a.m.

We’re probably gonna file a motion to dismiss

mike_bn 2024-09-11 10:47 a.m.

I don’t think there’s anyway that you can try these many defendants on the same case

mike_bn 2024-09-11 10:47 a.m.

It’s a violation of my clients rights to have a fair trial

mike_bn 2024-09-11 10:48 a.m.

Because my client was only accused of being part of the discord other members were accused of much more him being tried alongside them when the facts are also different to his case and the other cases

mike_bn 2024-09-11 10:48 a.m.

Very prejudicial

mike_bn

I don’t think there’s anyway that you can try these many defendants on the same case

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:54 a.m.

We'll have to split the case, and I'm doing so on very similar reasons you have stated (not below that message, that is not what I will comment on at the moment for obvious reasons and reserve this to whoever gets your severed case)

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:54 a.m.

If you can confirm representations as soon as possible I would highly appreciate it

Kezzera 2024-09-11 10:55 a.m.

We'd like to get this going

Kezzera

If you can confirm representations as soon as possible I would highly appreciate it

mike_bn 2024-09-11 12:19 p.m.

In my NOA that im forced to file I am representing coolerbro

Kezzera 2024-09-11 12:19 p.m.

Is it going to be coolerbro or are you intending to take on more

Kezzera 2024-09-11 12:19 p.m.

etc.

mike_bn 2024-09-11 12:48 p.m.

unless they pay me

mike_bn 2024-09-11 12:48 p.m.

morale 2024-09-11 12:54 p.m.

@Kezzera

can you split the channels

morale 2024-09-11 12:54 p.m.

one for coolerbro

morale 2024-09-11 12:54 p.m.

one for @Deleted User defendants

mike_bn

unless they pay me

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:19 p.m.

-forces you to do pro bono and make you go bankrupt-(edited)

morale

@Kezzera can you split the channels

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:20 p.m.

Yes

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:24 p.m.

so in a nutshell

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:24 p.m.

defendants who dont have attorneys

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:24 p.m.

are forced to be tried in a group of 10s

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:24 p.m.

but those who do, get their own trials

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:24 p.m.

seems a little prejudicial for those who dont have attorneys

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:25 p.m.

almost like there should be an advocate for people who cannot or have not hired a private attorney

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:25 p.m.

i think there is a word for that...hmmmm

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:25 p.m.

public uhhh

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:25 p.m.

yeah public defender

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:25 p.m.

but who am i?

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:26 p.m.

yeah if there was a PD

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:26 p.m.

WHERE IS IT!!!!

Kezzera

yeah if there was a PD

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:28 p.m.

idk almost like its required

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:28 p.m.

maybe the supreme court should hear this case... @morale

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:28 p.m.

@Kezzera

also i just have a question

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:29 p.m.

were the warrants issued

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:29 p.m.

bench warrants?

mike_bn

maybe the supreme court should hear this case... @morale

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:35 p.m.

it's time for an APPEAL etc

Kezzera

it's time for an APPEAL etc

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:35 p.m.

what were the warrants issued for

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:36 p.m.

for the purposes of compelling the defendant's appearance?

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:38 p.m.

ghost ping!!!

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:38 p.m.

mb wrong msg

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:38 p.m.

yes that's kind of how an arrest warrant usually works

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:38 p.m.

unless you mean they missed their appearance

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:39 p.m.

no i was just confirming

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:39 p.m.

i know thats the typical process

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:39 p.m.

i have one final question

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:39 p.m.

@Kezzera

will the court, before arraignment, be appointing all the defendants counsel?

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:40 p.m.

(if the indictment isnt tossed before the)

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:40 p.m.

then)

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:40 p.m.

oh yeah it has to if they don't have one and can't get one

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:41 p.m.

they need representation

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:41 p.m.

I don't think that's ever in dispute

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:41 p.m.

it just seems

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:41 p.m.

difficult

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:41 p.m.

to appoint 40 people attorneys

mike_bn 2024-09-11 01:41 p.m.

given the limited pool of attorneys

Kezzera 2024-09-11 01:53 p.m.

Well not 1 for each person

Kezzera 2024-09-11 02:11 p.m.

we might be getting a PD

Kezzera 2024-09-11 02:11 p.m.

awaiting full verified confirmation...

Kezzera 2024-09-11 02:12 p.m.

also will sort sever soon

Deleted User 2024-09-11 06:50 p.m.

Will be providing a NOA tmr I’m at work, all six of my clients listed are confirmed

Kezzera 2024-09-12 03:37 a.m.

I have prepared my ruling. I intend to issue it once @Deleted User files their NOA and we can finalize the sever.(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-12 03:38 a.m.

For those already unaware, I have already set up the channels in my category for now. It will get passed onto others (or stay with me) after this is processed.

Deleted User 2024-09-12 02:58 p.m.

My supplementary notice of appearance has been provided.

Kezzera 2024-09-13 12:56 a.m.

Thank you to all who have provided their filings, I appreciate that this is taking longer than anticipated and that everyone here is exercising great patience owing to my confusion with the proceedings so far and the events that unfolded (hopefully, no longer the case)(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-13 12:56 a.m.

DauuX joins among the counsellors for the various defendants

Kezzera 2024-09-13 12:57 a.m.

I will have these cases severed and some cases may go to another judge if my docket becomes overloaded (or otherwise remain here if it becomes too complicated) - more on that later(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-13 12:57 a.m.

Where a case has any pending action, they will remain here until I enter everything in

Kezzera 2024-09-14 03:26 a.m.

https://mfdcc.github.io/mf_orders/091424_CR-0005-24_OrderMTD-OrderQuash-OrderMisc.html

Kezzera 2024-09-14 03:26 a.m.

The order is made

Kezzera 2024-09-14 03:27 a.m.

(please do not come telling me that I'm wrong, if you think it is then you should appeal)(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-14 03:33 a.m.

I will have the cases sorted when I'm back from a social function tomorrow afternoon UK time - you should all be prepared to start seeing access to different channels and likewise removed from sending messages in this one unless you're tied into representing the remainders(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-14 03:34 a.m.

For everyone's benefit, the case is NOT CLOSED, it needs the remaining paperwork to properly begin(edited)

Kezzera 2024-09-14 03:35 a.m.

I understand the sever will end up with the following:

REMAINDERS here

Brotheman1, Fliply27 defendants
insertreality defendants
DauuX defendants

the last 3 will either go to me or reassigned owing to docket overload, I cannot take on too many cases

Kezzera 2024-09-14 03:36 a.m.

The eligible judges to take on these cases are:
- Nomadity
- Enneat
- Arthur_Chen

I have excluded Shah_Khaled and Krabz from further assignments because shah has ended circuit ride, and Krabz is awaiting resignation confirmation

Kezzera

(please do not come telling me that I'm wrong, if you think it is then you should appeal)(edited)

Deleted User 2024-09-14 05:07 a.m.

My only grievance is the issuance of an arrest warrant when the statute specifically requires LTAA

mike_bn 2024-09-14 03:00 p.m.

people who have an attorney will get their own cases

mike_bn 2024-09-14 03:00 p.m.

but people who dont will be lumped in

mike_bn 2024-09-14 03:00 p.m.

to one big case?

mike_bn 2024-09-16 11:22 p.m.

@Kezzera

i would just like to mention

mike_bn 2024-09-16 11:23 p.m.

i think there are more defendants that attorneys

mike_bn 2024-09-16 11:23 p.m.

1 attorney cannot represent more than 1 defendant

mike_bn 2024-09-16 11:23 p.m.

its unethical

Kezzera

For everyone's benefit, the case is NOT CLOSED, it needs the remaining paperwork to properly begin(edited)

mike_bn 2024-09-19 06:55 p.m.

ok so the case is not closed but according to you it hasnt begun yet

mike_bn 2024-09-19 06:55 p.m.

this is

mike_bn 2024-09-19 06:55 p.m.

odd

Kezzera 2024-09-19 10:55 p.m.

well let me clarify like

Kezzera 2024-09-19 10:55 p.m.

the card is IN there

Kezzera 2024-09-19 10:55 p.m.

but like literally without the affidavit the case can't really even be considered started

Kezzera 2024-09-19 10:56 p.m.

i might just archive it if it clears any confusion

Kezzera 2024-09-19 10:56 p.m.

and bring it back once the state gets the paperwork in

Kezzera 2024-09-23 02:49 p.m.

Herein this case and all severed ones will be reassigned to different dockets. I am no longer participating in any case related to the Mayflower Red Front.

Kezzera 2024-09-23 02:49 p.m.

Once new judges are in, expect assignments to be made. Proceedings begin when the state has completed their filings.

Kezzera 2024-09-23 02:50 p.m.

This is a sufficient recusal notice

Karrot 2024-09-23 05:36 p.m.

fuck bro

Karrot 2024-09-23 05:36 p.m.

i just wanna like

Karrot 2024-09-23 05:37 p.m.

not do ts anymore

Karrot 2024-09-23 05:37 p.m.

lego law is harder than real law stg

Kezzera 2024-09-23 06:47 p.m.

we just taking our sweet time mb chief

Kezzera 2024-09-23 06:48 p.m.

I did make it clear the case isn't even ready so as far as I'm concerned this is just dead until it's propped back up

Kezzera

we just taking our sweet time mb chief

Karrot 2024-09-24 12:48 a.m.

all good lmao

Deleted User 2024-09-25 04:06 a.m.

@morale

Can you confirm whether or not this is this is the states intent in this matter?

Deleted User 2024-09-25 04:09 a.m.

It was immediately by some furry-esque comments and I’m unsure if it was intended seriously or not

Deleted User 2024-09-25 04:11 a.m.

Followed immediately* my apologies

morale 2024-09-25 10:07 a.m.

no it is not

Kezzera 2024-09-25 11:12 a.m.

(He confirmed as a joke later on)

Doogy 2024-10-12 11:27 a.m.

pending matter added to the case card @Kezzera

Kezzera 2024-10-18 09:37 a.m.

thank you, processing

shah 2024-10-22 09:24 a.m.

to all parties of record:

hello friends i have been assigned to this case.

are all warrants still active?

@morale

@Deleted User

shah 2024-10-22 09:24 a.m.

@insertreality

shah 2024-10-22 09:25 a.m.

@insert

shah 2024-10-22 09:25 a.m.

@realit

shah 2024-10-22 09:25 a.m.

@insertre

shah 2024-10-22 09:25 a.m.

@mike_bn

shah 2024-10-22 11:43 a.m.

oh sorry you couldn't see this

shah 2024-10-22 11:43 a.m.

@morale

@Deleted User

@mike_bn

can you all see this?

shah 2024-10-22 11:45 a.m.

@impactiii

shah 2024-10-22 11:47 a.m.

I am inclined to quash the warrant

shah

I am inclined to quash the warrant

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:50 a.m.

I think this raises pre-arraignment delay concerns

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:50 a.m.

Unless the State can justify the delay

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:50 a.m.

Between having many defendants not appear yet

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:50 a.m.

Behind*

shah 2024-10-22 11:50 a.m.

i am more concerned about the warrant not having probable cause for 46 defendants(edited)

shah 2024-10-22 11:50 a.m.

of which only 15, pc was found

shah 2024-10-22 11:51 a.m.

can the state please explain or provide new evidence @Attorney General's Office

shah 2024-10-22 11:53 a.m.

I have been informed from the former presiding judge that the Court's requests have not been fufilled. I hope the State knows my stance on blanking the court (see rulings ). Therefore I will give a few hours to reply to my comments

shah

i am more concerned about the warrant not having probable cause for 46 defendants(edited)

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:53 a.m.

Also if possible I would like to strike Mayflower Red Front as a defendant for improper joinder of other defendants that have not been necessarily joined or named in the original information

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:53 a.m.

But keep the individually named defendants

shah 2024-10-22 11:55 a.m.

i want to deal with the warrant solely as the state has signfied they intend to sever the case post-warrant

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:55 a.m.

shah

i want to deal with the warrant solely as the state has signfied they intend to sever the case post-warrant

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:55 a.m.

Sever all defendants?

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:56 a.m.

Is that what they said?

shah 2024-10-22 11:56 a.m.

I believe/assume

shah 2024-10-22 11:56 a.m.

Anyways

shah 2024-10-22 11:56 a.m.

Upon the review of the facts of the case the issuance of the arrest warrant is QUASHED in full due to a lack of probable cause

shah 2024-10-22 11:57 a.m.

Judgment soon

shah 2024-10-22 11:58 a.m.

and I personally say that this case is too messy and I want the next steps from the State to rectify it

impactiii 2024-10-22 11:59 a.m.

I need names of who I am representing unless you want to appoint me as counsel of this “organizational defendant”

shah

Upon the review of the facts of the case the issuance of the arrest warrant is QUASHED in full due to a lack of probable cause

morale 2024-10-22 12:38 p.m.

you..

morale 2024-10-22 12:38 p.m.

didn't give us time to

morale 2024-10-22 12:38 p.m.

respond?

morale 2024-10-22 12:38 p.m.

it's the middle of the day

morale 2024-10-22 12:39 p.m.

@shah

who assigned you, your honor

morale 2024-10-22 12:39 p.m.

this was duly assigned to a judge

morale 2024-10-22 12:39 p.m.

already

morale 2024-10-22 12:39 p.m.

it can't be hot potato'ed around

shah 2024-10-22 12:44 p.m.

please check the case card and notice of reassignment

morale

you..

shah 2024-10-22 12:44 p.m.

hon kezzera gave you a month to respond

shah 2024-10-22 12:44 p.m.

i dont see why you would need more time than that

shah 2024-10-22 12:46 p.m.

Notice of Reassignment

Judge assigned to this case is conflicted out of these proceedings except to MTU order which was justified. That order remains valid as there is sufficient outweigh in favor of the judge preserving a defendant’s rights.

– Below are the details –

Judge reassigned to: shah_khaled (RNG Formula)

Authority: Mayfl. Jud. Admin. R. 4(b)(4)

Authorized by: Chief Judge AlbertWellesley

– Further Instructions –

The re-assigned judge is to take note of the following issues: COURT IS NO LONGER IN RECEIPT OF EVIDENCE FORMING SUFFICIENT BASIS FOR PC FOR ALL DEFENDANTS, EXCEPT AS TO A VIDEO CLIP THAT POTENTIALLY PROVIDES SUPPORT FOR A FEW. IN DISCUSSION OF THE CASE STILL PENDING COMPLETE FILINGS, 5A AND COLLECTIVE PUNISHMENT ISSUES WERE RAISED TO WHICH I AGREE WITH. CLERK OF COURT CONFIRMS NO RECEIPT OF AN ORAL TRANSCRIPT.

morale 2024-10-22 12:46 p.m.

and where is that said

morale 2024-10-22 12:46 p.m.

where was a deadline set anywhere

shah 2024-10-22 12:46 p.m.

oh are you meaning to say a month wasn't enough

morale 2024-10-22 12:47 p.m.

no i'm meaning to say when was a month set

morale 2024-10-22 12:47 p.m.

when were we asked

morale 2024-10-22 12:47 p.m.

or told to respond

Kezzera

For everyone's benefit, the case is NOT CLOSED, it needs the remaining paperwork to properly begin(edited)

shah 2024-10-22 12:51 p.m.

shah 2024-10-22 12:52 p.m.

i believe the paperwork was an affidavit

shah 2024-10-22 12:52 p.m.

@morale

shah

i believe the paperwork was an affidavit

morale 2024-10-22 12:52 p.m.

you "believe"

morale 2024-10-22 12:52 p.m.

if youre not even sure what the paperwork was

shah 2024-10-22 12:52 p.m.

in fact that is a fact

morale 2024-10-22 12:52 p.m.

how can you hold us for not providing it

shah 2024-10-22 12:52 p.m.

my apologies

shah 2024-10-22 12:52 p.m.

i have been now informed by the fm.r judge

morale 2024-10-22 12:53 p.m.

warrant was granted not based off of an affidavit but oral testimony

morale 2024-10-22 12:53 p.m.

not sure why its quashing is warranted

shah 2024-10-22 12:54 p.m.

where probable cause was established for only 15 of the defendants

shah 2024-10-22 12:54 p.m.

the remaining 36 have been illegally under warrant

shah 2024-10-22 12:55 p.m.

unless you're suggesting some kind of collective responsbility which borders unconstitutional

shah 2024-10-22 12:56 p.m.

@morale

shah

where probable cause was established for only 15 of the defendants

morale 2024-10-22 12:56 p.m.

where is that said

morale 2024-10-22 12:56 p.m.

shah 2024-10-22 12:56 p.m.

i was told

morale 2024-10-22 12:56 p.m.

that's not reflected here in the record, your honor

shah 2024-10-22 12:56 p.m.

as you will appreciate a reassignment portfolio was provided to me

morale 2024-10-22 12:57 p.m.

probable cause was found for them all... that's why they all have warrants

morale 2024-10-22 12:57 p.m.

yes however

morale 2024-10-22 12:57 p.m.

it seems youre operating off of information that ... isnt public record nor told to any party

shah 2024-10-22 12:57 p.m.

there is a lack of evidence here as reflected in the notes

morale 2024-10-22 12:57 p.m.

so im confused

morale 2024-10-22 12:57 p.m.

the presiding judge found PC for all of the warrants

morale 2024-10-22 12:57 p.m.

why else would they be... issued

shah 2024-10-22 12:59 p.m.

well i am now finding those warrants in violation of the fifth amendment

shah 2024-10-22 12:59 p.m.

the previous judge has erred in my opinion

shah 2024-10-22 01:00 p.m.

the evidence is not materially available and therefore it does not exist per the rules of procedure

shah 2024-10-22 01:00 p.m.

@morale

shah 2024-10-22 01:00 p.m.

the court cannot take responsibility for the loss of prosecutorial evidence

Kezzera 2024-10-22 01:00 p.m.

if i may interject quickly, whatever was unsealed/disclosed is all that i have

Kezzera 2024-10-22 01:01 p.m.

i cant control my computer deciding to shit itself with the oral testimony recording

shah 2024-10-22 01:02 p.m.

if the state can provide new evidence the warrant will be replaced

shah

well i am now finding those warrants in violation of the fifth amendment

morale 2024-10-22 01:03 p.m.

sua sponte?

morale 2024-10-22 01:03 p.m.

thats very nice

shah 2024-10-22 01:03 p.m.

yes

shah 2024-10-22 01:03 p.m.

well how else would it be

shah 2024-10-22 01:03 p.m.

there are no appointed attorney's for the remaining defendants?

shah 2024-10-22 01:04 p.m.

the court must act in the best interests of the defendants [and prosecution]

shah 2024-10-22 01:06 p.m.

the court from hereonwith appoints mr. @impactiii esq of Lander, to act as the court-appointed counsel for the organisation "mayflower red front collective"

Kezzera 2024-10-22 01:08 p.m.

(they're just whatever named on the information sheet provided by the state)

shah 2024-10-22 01:22 p.m.

@Deleted User

shah 2024-10-22 01:22 p.m.

can you tell us what you intend to achieve in this case going forward now. are you severing the defendants or continuing a joinder? @morale

Deleted User 2024-10-22 01:24 p.m.

So… it is news to I think all parties that now there are suddenly significantly less defendants… is it posted anywhere who exactly this effects?

Deleted User

So… it is news to I think all parties that now there are suddenly significantly less defendants… is it posted anywhere who exactly this effects?

shah 2024-10-22 01:25 p.m.

i dont understand what you said there

shah

the remaining 36 have been illegally under warrant

Deleted User 2024-10-22 01:25 p.m.

Oh it was in reference to warrants, disregard that

Deleted User 2024-10-22 01:25 p.m.

Was skimming everything and misread that

shah 2024-10-22 01:28 p.m.

if i dont recieve response within 24h from DOJ the case will be dismissed in full w/o prejudice

shah 2024-10-22 01:29 p.m.

9 months ago

impactiii 2024-10-22 01:29 p.m.

Have these "Doe" defendnats been identified?

impactiii 2024-10-22 01:29 p.m.

defendants*

shah 2024-10-22 01:29 p.m.

the court will like to thank defendant's attorney(s0 for their prudent contributions but at the moment i just want to know what the hell the state is doing(edited)

Kezzera

i cant control my computer deciding to shit itself with the oral testimony recording

impactiii 2024-10-22 02:03 p.m.

the oral testimony doesnt exist anymore?

impactiii 2024-10-22 02:20 p.m.

@Kezzera

Kezzera 2024-10-22 02:28 p.m.

yeah it's literally just gone

Kezzera 2024-10-22 02:29 p.m.

Well corrupted

Kezzera 2024-10-22 02:29 p.m.

I can't open it

impactiii 2024-10-22 02:37 p.m.

@shah

impactiii 2024-10-22 02:37 p.m.

i dont see a way for this case to move forward with the pc finding

impactiii 2024-10-22 02:37 p.m.

the evidence is literally gone

impactiii 2024-10-22 02:37 p.m.

we would have to start over

impactiii 2024-10-22 02:38 p.m.

"literally just gone"

Deleted User 2024-10-22 07:32 p.m.

All I’m really concerned about is that my clients record is rectified, they’ve had to carry the burden of having a court-issued warrant on their record for an absurd amount of time, for a case that essentially cannot even move forward.

Deleted User 2024-10-22 07:33 p.m.

Records are* apologies, forgot I was addressing multiple clients, it’s been a bit

Deleted User

All I’m really concerned about is that my clients record is rectified, they’ve had to carry the burden of having a court-issued warrant on their record for an absurd amount of time...

shah 2024-10-22 07:34 p.m.

Petition should be submitted in line with my ruling

Deleted User 2024-10-22 07:35 p.m.

Will do, at work currently. I’ll type it up tmr

shah 2024-10-22 07:36 p.m.

FYI

shah 2024-10-22 07:37 p.m.

Any type of petition / civil rights action / compensation request must be dealt in a separate proceeding and action(edited)

shah 2024-10-22 07:37 p.m.

I will not accept any motions as such

shah

9 months ago

shah 2024-10-22 07:37 p.m.

@morale

reminder that the state has until deadline set

shah

if i dont recieve response within 24h from DOJ the case will be dismissed in full w/o prejudice

morale 2024-10-22 07:48 p.m.

mrf is gone

morale 2024-10-22 07:48 p.m.

this isn't in our prosec interests

morale 2024-10-22 07:48 p.m.

you can dismiss w/o prej

shah 2024-10-22 07:48 p.m.

shah 2024-10-22 07:51 p.m.

Dismissed without prejudice to the people with non-executed warrants

Dismissed with prejudice for those arrested due to abuse of process

Cc: @Deleted User

@impactiii

@Karrot

@morale

(edited)

shah 2024-10-22 07:51 p.m.

God bless

shah 2024-10-22 07:53 p.m.

I will require attorneys to tell me which people have been arrested as result of this case

impactiii 2024-10-22 07:53 p.m.

I ask on the record that you dismiss the case as a whole with prejudice or I’ll just end up filing a motion to dismiss the information based on outrageous government conduct

impactiii

I ask on the record that you dismiss the case as a whole with prejudice or I’ll just end up filing a motion to dismiss the information based on outrageous government conduct

morale 2024-10-22 07:54 p.m.

outrageous govt conduct?

morale 2024-10-22 07:54 p.m.

how so

shah

Dismissed without prejudice to the people with non-executed warrants Dismissed with prejudice for those arrested due to abuse of process Cc: @Deleted User <@7773392851282...(edited)

morale 2024-10-22 07:54 p.m.

errrrrr

morale 2024-10-22 07:54 p.m.

abuse of process

morale 2024-10-22 07:54 p.m.

how so

impactiii

I ask on the record that you dismiss the case as a whole with prejudice or I’ll just end up filing a motion to dismiss the information based on outrageous government conduct

impactiii 2024-10-22 07:56 p.m.

Due to (1) the spoliation of evidence in violation of due process, (2) prejudicial and inexplainable pre-arraignment delay, (3) failure to allege a racketeering enterprise in the information (failure to state an offense), and (4) failure to give adequate notice to the “organizational defendant” and the several John Does.

@shah

impactiii

Due to (1) the spoliation of evidence in violation of due process, (2) prejudicial and inexplainable pre-arraignment delay, (3) failure to allege a racketeering enterprise in the i...

shah 2024-10-22 07:57 p.m.

The court has already applied and approved a remedy for those affected by all factors

shah 2024-10-22 07:57 p.m.

So the motion to reconsider is denied and you are granted leave to appeal if necessary(edited)

shah

The court has already applied and approved a remedy for those affected by all factors

impactiii 2024-10-22 07:57 p.m.

Those affected would include those still facing charges but haven’t been apprehended

morale 2024-10-22 07:57 p.m.

no it wouldn't

impactiii 2024-10-22 07:57 p.m.

But it’s fine

impactiii

Those affected would include those still facing charges but haven’t been apprehended

impactiii 2024-10-22 07:59 p.m.

This kind of goes to the concept of pre-indictment delay on the federal level (pre-arraignment delay here with an information)—failure to bring a defendant before the court on an arrest warrant within a certain amount of time violates due process

shah 2024-10-22 07:59 p.m.

I will explain such abuse of process in my judgment tomorrow

shah 2024-10-22 08:01 p.m.

The court has already remedied spoliation by quashing the warrants

shah 2024-10-22 08:01 p.m.

In terms of the other defendants, they haven’t been summoned to this court so there is no due process to be given

shah 2024-10-22 08:01 p.m.

Probable cause hearings do not require due process

impactiii 2024-10-22 08:02 p.m.

Spoliation taints the entire case though and if you find it was done in bad faith, the it warrants dismissal of the entire case (as to all defendants) with prejudice per Arizona v. Youngblood

shah 2024-10-22 08:04 p.m.

There is no evidence to suggest bad faith

impactiii 2024-10-22 08:04 p.m.

I didn’t say that I just suggested it

shah 2024-10-22 08:04 p.m.

There was some evidence at some point which was ruled self authenticating pursuant to the Rules but that evidence has been lost

shah 2024-10-22 08:05 p.m.

I think we can all be happy here since the State lacks the evidence to recharge these individuals anyway

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